Comments on: (Tutorial) GPU Tools and GPU Memory Clock: Real and Effective Speeds Demystified https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/ Graphics Cards and GPUs News, Graphics Programming, Home of FurMark Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:58:14 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Jennie https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-22896 Mon, 23 Jan 2012 06:35:41 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-22896 Unlike its predecessor, GDDR4, GDDR5 is based on DDR3 SDRAM memory which has double the data lines compared to DDR2 SDRAM, but GDDR5 also has 8-bit wide prefetch buffers similar to GDDR4.

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By: bob https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-22559 Tue, 03 Jan 2012 00:24:34 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-22559 sorry not trying to be a spammer

btw
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDDR5

GDDR5 (Graphics Double Data Rate, version 5) SDRAM is a type of high performance DRAM graphics card memory designed for computer applications requiring high bandwidth. Unlike its predecessor, GDDR4, GDDR5 is based on DDR3 SDRAM memory which has double the data lines compared to DDR2 SDRAM, but GDDR5 also has 8-bit wide prefetch buffers similar to GDDR4.

gddr5 is really ddr3 for the most part and is bubble data rate not QDR

can you see the lie yet ?

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/2232/5

Unbuffered results show the same basic pattern as buffered results in this case. Here DDR3 is clearly the best performer at the same slow timings at DDR2-800, with DDR2 on the P35 behind about 3% and DDR2 on P965 about 12% lower. DDR2 is still faster at the better timings available with current DDR2 memory.

ddr2 vs ddr3 {gddr5}
ddr2 is at most 12% slower

math doesn’t add up douse it on the effective speed improvement …duh…

ddr2 vs ddr3 effective mgz fake number 400vs800 {x2 100%}

real world improvement {X 12%}
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http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/GPU/GTX-550/GTX-550-5.jpg

now take a look at this pic on the geforce 550ti topic

gddr5 qdr{lie} effective speed 4100mgz “real world ram speed 256mgz”

effective memory speed 98.5GB sec

real world bandwidth
{-85% fud bull park number}
98.5gb – 85% PR fud = 14.5GB sec

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By: bob https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-22558 Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:22:06 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-22558 Oups forgot to say!

Then for a GTX 480 (GDDR5) with stock memory speed we have:

– Real memory speed: 231mgz
– Bus speed: 924MHz {wrong bus speed}
– Effective QDR memory speed: 3696MHz

*grins*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR_SDRAM

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By: bob https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-22557 Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:11:12 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-22557 Ok old post but after reading it and seeing every one that posted got it wrong ill just have to set the record straight .

Sdr 100mgz = 100mgz internal speed~real world speed.

Ddr~sdr 100mgz internal real speed,100mgz bus speed,200mgz effective speed.

Ddr2-sdr 100mgz internal real speed,200mgz bus speed,400mgz effective speed.

Ddr3~sdr 100mgz internal real speed,400mgz bus speed,800mgz effective speed.

Ddr5~sdr 100mgz internal real speed,400mgz bus speed,1600mgz effective speed.

And gpu-x reads the external bus speed not the real world internal ram speed.

To answer the original posters question .

Gddr5 {notice it called ddr not qdr} 231mgz internal real world speed,924mgz bus speed,3696mgz effective total Public relations QDR bull shit speed number.

Btw theirs a new standard coming out soon called warp dive effective speed that means x4 more meaning 3696mgz effective qdr = 14786mgz WDqdr.
Sadly its about as fast as 72pin 10ns edo d-ram but whatever right ? people will buy in to it just wait and see.

And why do the powers that be do this ?
Because the marketing Public relations fools just love messing with your heads and lieing about proformance & numbers and we all know bigger numbers sell better …even if its all bull.

And just look at you all ..you all get it wrong ~ epic fail.

just look at sdr vs ddr in the first years, ddr1 is 30% faster {bull park number} then sdr not 2x in the real world, real benchmarks.
Now think about that and think about how fake the effective memory speed really is vs real world speed when it comes to gddr5 errr gqdr5 ram.
Use to be called ddr5 till someone found a way to blote the numbers
…enjoy
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Then for a GTX 480 (GDDR5) with stock memory speed we have:
– Real memory speed: 924MHz {wrong bus speed}
– Effective DDR memory speed: 1848MHz
– Effective QDR memory speed: 3696MHz

For a HD 5870 (also GDDR5) we have:
– Real memory speed: 1200MHz{wrong bus speed}
– Effective DDR memory speed: 2400MHz
– Effective QDR memory speed: 4800MHz

And for a GTX 275 (GDDR3) we have:
– Real memory speed: 567MHz{wrong bus speed}
– Effective DDR memory speed: 1134MHz

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as well keep in mind the trick their using to pimp the numbers last i looked in to it is something along the lines of raid0 for hdd only use memory chips to jump bandwidth raid0 ram stile and the real internal speed of the ram is even lower then i stated if you were to put ram speed under a microscope.

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By: Jow https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-22437 Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:16:25 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-22437 hello!

I lost my keys. Could someone help me find them?

Thanks in advance!
Jow

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By: Usman https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-19272 Tue, 03 May 2011 10:03:37 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-19272 Hello everyone! i,ve been reading your articles they are very helpful but i really need your help….This is the first time I am posting on this website….I have Intel core i7 860 2.80Ghz, Intel DP55WG board, 2GB of RAM (kingston), 500GB HDD and a samsung 933bw plus LCD and Nvidia geforce 9600GT 1024MB 256 bits graphics card and a GPU meter installed as a windows gadget but it is not showing any gpu clock 600MHz or memory clock 702 MHz both of them them are showing the usage of 0%…Please Please someone help me out. i really need your help. thanks

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By: [Tested and Burned] ASUS GeForce GTX 560 Ti DirectCU II TOP Review - 3D Tech News, Pixel Hacking, Data Visualization and 3D Programming - Geeks3D.com https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-17479 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:32:16 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-17479 […] speed (or 2004MHz DDR speed like in GPU Caps Viewer or 1002MHz real speed like in GPU-Z, see here for more details about memory […]

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By: Colorful iGame GeForce GTX 460 Limited Edition - 3D Tech News, Pixel Hacking, Data Visualization and 3D Programming - Geeks3D.com https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-16933 Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:40:13 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-16933 […] This GeForce GTX 460, from the asian graphics cards maker Colorful, is available with a dual bios allowing to select two modes: Normal and Turbo modes. Normal mode runs at GPU: 675MHz, mem: 902MHz real speed while Turbo mode clocks are: GPU: 890MHz and mem: 1000MHz real speed (for details about mem speed: Graphics Cards Memory Speed Demystified). […]

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By: [Tested and Burned] SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6970 2048MB Review - 3D Tech News, Pixel Hacking, Data Visualization and 3D Programming - Geeks3D.com https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-16738 Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:42:11 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-16738 […] 1536 shader processors and comes with a 880MHz GPU and 2048MB of GDDR5 memory clocked at 1375MHz real speed or 5500MHz effective / QDR speed. More details on the reference Radeon HD 6970 can be found here: […]

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By: [Tested and Burned] EVGA GeForce GTX 580 SC Review - 3D Tech News, Pixel Hacking, Data Visualization and 3D Programming - Geeks3D.com https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-16308 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 16:32:40 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-16308 […] This card, based on NVIDIA’s second generation of DX11 GPU, the GF110, comes with factory overclocked settings: a GPU clocked at 797MHz (reference: 772MHz) and 1536MB of GDDR5 memory clocked at 1012MHz real speed (reference: 1002MHz) or 4050MHz effective / QDR speed (see here for more details on memory speeds: Graphics Cards Memory Speed Demystified). […]

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By: [Tested] SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870 1024MB Review - 3D Tech News, Pixel Hacking, Data Visualization and 3D Programming - Geeks3D.com https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-16171 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:10:48 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-16171 […] GPU (1120 shader processors), come with a 900MHz GPU and 1024MB of GDDR5 memory clocked at 1050MHz real speed 4200MHz effective / QDR speed. More details on the reference Radeon HD 6870 can be found here: AMD […]

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By: [Tested] ASUS ENGTX580 1536MB at Geeks3D Labs - 3D Tech News, Pixel Hacking, Data Visualization and 3D Programming - Geeks3D.com https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-15953 Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:28:19 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-15953 […] ASUS’s ENGTX580 is a factory overclocked GeForce GTX 580. The ENGTX580 is powered by the GF110 GPU (512 shader processors or CUDA cores) with an overclocked core speed of 782MHz (reference clock is 772MHz). The card embark 1536MB of GDDR5 memory but unlike the GPU, the memory is not overclocked: 1002MHz real speed (see here: Graphics Cards Memory Speed Demystified). […]

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By: Athlonite https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-15820 Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:52:25 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-15820 I like to use the people in a car on an highway analogy

single data rate = 1 person in a car driving from home to work

double data rate = 2 people in a car driving from home to work

quad data rate = 4 people in a car driving from home to work etc etc …

and thing of the highway they drive on as the bus that data flows over

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By: AMD Radeon HD 6870 Launch Day: Meet Barts XT - 3D Tech News, Pixel Hacking, Data Visualization and 3D Programming - Geeks3D.com https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-14914 Fri, 22 Oct 2010 08:54:36 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-14914 […] 1024MB GDDR5 @ 4200MHz effective or 2100MHz DDR or 1050MHz real speed, 256-bit (see HERE for memory speed […]

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By: AMD Radeon HD 6870: Photo Gallery And More Details (SP, TDP) - 3D Tech News, Pixel Hacking, Data Visualization and 3D Programming - Geeks3D.com https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-14772 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:54:23 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-14772 […] HD 6870 comes with 1GB of GDDR5 memory clocked at 4200MHz effective or 1050MHz real speed (see here for details on memory […]

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By: JFFulcrum https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-14664 Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:38:16 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-14664 If you need additional details, i recommend JEDEC JESD212 document (available on http://www.jedec.org/sites/default/files/docs/JESD212.pdf , under free registration ).

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By: JeGX https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-14662 Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:42:14 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-14662 Thanks for this clarification JFFulcrum.

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By: JFFulcrum https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-14661 Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:25:22 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-14661 The story about GDDR clocks is much more complicated. Actually, you have three (!) ‘clocks’:

– Core clock, on which memory chips storage transistors operates.
– I/O bus clock, on which memory chips buffers/GPU MCU buffers operates, two times more than core clocks.
– Data transfer rate, two times more than I/O bus clock, thanks for DDR technology.

The GDDR-5 VRAM is still DDR memory in terms of bus data transfers, not QDR. So, in case of GTX 480:
924 MHz – core clock
1848 MHz – I/O bus clock, this one is ‘real’, just as it was in previous generations.
3696 MHz — effective clock (data transfer rate).

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By: WacKEDmaN https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-12661 Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:01:59 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-12661 for those who still cant get their head around the real vs effective speeds, think of it like this.

the real memory speed is the clock speed that is sent to the memory chips via a clock generator of some sort

the effective speed is the internal clock speed running inside the memory chips, which is either double pumped (DDR) or quad pumped (QDR) over the ‘real’ clock

basically.. for every ‘tick’ of the clock, the memory can perform 2 (DDR) or 4 (QDR) operations

PS..these comments need to be editable!

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By: WacKEDmaN https://www.geeks3d.com/20100613/tutorial-gpu-tools-and-gpu-memory-clock-real-and-effective-speeds-demystified/#comment-12659 Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:39:20 +0000 http://www.geeks3d.com/?p=7169#comment-12659 i should also say that when this stuck low power mode is in play CPU-Z still reports the P0 state and full speed core and memory values.

seting the clocks via MSI-Afterburner while in this stuck low power state will NOT reset the clocks, but it does show the correct core/mem values (the P3 state for me running 2 monitors. running one monitor, ive had it get stuck in P8 and even P12)

the cause of it getting stuck.. for me it happens mainly when a compute app crashes (eg CUDA, OpenCL, DirectCompute, or even PhysX) ..but not always

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